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 22/01/2010 19:06
 

Salam,

I am new to this forum and had some questions pertaining to the ability of those within their graves. You people say that the dead can hear i their grave, howver the following ayats suggested clearly tha dead people cannot. If you are on haq explain ad give clarification with evidence from Quran & sahih hadith.

"Verily you cannot make the dead hear and you can not make the deaf hear the call when they turn their backs and retreat." [Surah an-Naml 27:80]
"The living and the dead are not alike. Allah makes whoever he wishes hear, but you cannot make those in the graves hear." [Surah Fatir 35:22]

Rasulullah sallaho alayhi wa sallam has taught us to address the Muslims in the graves with salam, and the reports from the Salaf are innumerable to the effect of visiting the dead and greeting them. As Ibn Kathir said in his Tafsir of the above verses: To address those who cannot hear is absurd. The Prophet -- Allah bless and greet him -- would never enjoin absurd practices upon his Ummah.

You say:
"Ibn Mas'ud reported that the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Allah has angels who travel about the earth; they [do and will] convey to me the peace greeting from my ummah." [Authentically reported by Abu Dawud]

"This hadith clarifies that the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) does not hear the greetings of peace from Muslims when they pronounce it upon him, for if he could hear it directly, there would be no need of angels to convey it to him. Therefore, it follows that the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) cannot hear other forms of conversation directed to him either;[3] and it stands even more to reason that the deceased, being lesser than the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam), also cannot hear the salam (greeting of peace) or any other form of speech. [4] Thus contrary to a popular misconception, because the Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) cannot directly hear either one's invocation of blessings [5] or one's salam addressed to him, such greetings may be conveyed to him from anywhere, regardless of the distance or proximity of the greeter to the Prophet's grave."

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 22/01/2010 19:34
 
 Modified By Qadri Blessed  on 23/01/2010 04:59:28

Asslamualaikum.

Dear brother,

Your right 'dead' do not hear. Calling the beloved Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Alihi Wa Sallam 'dead' is wrong. Hope the article below answers your concerns.

Haazir O Naazir - Present and Witnessing

According to the Holy Quran every thing has to die as Allah almighty says: "Every soul is to taste the death" (Sura Al-Imran) Like this prophets of Allah almighty were also passed through the process of death. They were given death but it was for a very short time. And at the same time they were brought to life as same as before.
Now all of the prophets (Alaihis salam) of Allah almighty are alive. Allama Baihaqi (Rahmatullah Alaih) has collected a number of narrations in the proof of the life of the prophets (Alaihis salam) after death.

Such as Allama Jalaluddieen Sayuti (Rahmatullah Alaih) also written a book on this topic and there are so many scholars of ummah who have written very much about this topic. Now I prove it from the Quran and Hadith. Allah Almighty says:
"And say not those who are killed in the path of Allah as dead, but they are alive yes, you are unaware." (Sura Al Baqara, Verse 154)

According to the Holy Quran pious people are of four categories. The Prophets (Alaihis Salam) are of the highest grade and then comes the number of truthful and then martyrs and righteous people stands fourth in grade. And all four kinds are blessed according to their grades. As the Holy Quran says: "Those who have been blessed by Allah is, the Prophets, and the truthful, and martyrs and righteous." (Sura Al Nisa, Verse 69)

According to the general practice of the people we see that an officer of grade "B" is provided all facilities which is provided to the officer of grade "C". But the officer of B grade is given more than the officer of C grade. Like this is the case of the officer of grade "A". He is not only provided all the facilities of the officer of grade B but also more than that of "B" grade. Now we believe that a martyr gets the life after death by practicing the teachings of his Prophet (Alaihis Salam) although he comes in third grade of the pious peoples, so what is about the position of the Prophet (Alaihis Salam) who is highest of all in his grade. Surely He is the most deserve able of all others to be alive after death. It is a logical proof.

Secondly the Prophet of Allah almighty is a martyr because he died due to the eating of piousness food. As Imam Bukhari and Baihaqi (Rahmatullah Alaih) narrated by Aiysha (Allah almighty is well pleased with her) that the Holy Prophet (Allah's Grace & Peace be upon Him) said in his mortal disease, " I always felt the pain of food which I ate in Khaibar, now that poison is killing me." (Al Havi Lilfatawa. Printed from Bairut. Vol. 2, P 149)

So the Holy Prophet (Allah's Grace & Peace be upon Him) is also alive according to the Quranic verse.

Proof of the life of Prophets (Alaihis Salam) after death by narrations of the Holy Prophet (Allah's Grace and Peace be upon Him)

1) Qazi Shaukani writes that the Holy Prophet (Allah's Grace & Peace be Upon Him) in saheeh hadith that the Prophets (Alaihis Salam) of Allah almighty are alive in their shrines. And Baihaqi (Rahmatullah Alaih) has rectified it and wrote a book on this topic. (Nail-ul-Qwatar. Vol.5, Page 108)

Abu Darda (Radi Allaho Unho) narrates that the prophet of Allah said, "Send salutation (Durood) upon me again an again on Friday. Because these salutation (Durood) are observed by angles. No one sends salutation but it is presented to me before his getting free from salutations". I asked him, "What is about after death? " He (Allah's Grace & Peace be Upon Him) said "Allah almighty has made unlawful upon earth to spoil prophet's bodies and the Prophet of Allah is alive and he is given food." (Sunnan-e- Ibne Maja, Printed Noor Muhammad, P 118)

There are so many narrations which are found in proof of the life of Prophets (alaihis salam) after death, those can't be written this is why I stop my pen at this because it is enough for a reasonable man.

What does the Holy Quran say ?
Before we quote the Holy Quran let us define and understand the terminology of this subject matter. The terms used for the omnipresence are "Haazir" and "Naazir"and these terms need to be clarified and understood from the outset.

The meaning of Haazir and Naazir is explained below:
HAAZIR-To be present (physically or spiritually, i.e. in being)
NAAZIR-To see or behold with ones own eyes (from near or afar)
Note very carefully, that to be truly present and seeing one must be 'Aware' and 'Understand' what one sees.

To illustrate, a person named Zaid is in his home watching the live Jum'a broadcast from Mecca. Then it follows that Zaid is Haazir (physically), at his home, and Zaid is Naazir (seeing events) in his home and in Mecca. Now Zaid saw with his own eyes the Imaam lead the Jum'a prayer in Mecca, although Zaid was sitting in
London.

Added to the fact that, while sitting in London Zaid observed the events in Mecca, Zaid needs two more abilities to become a WITNESS to this event, i.e. Zaid must be AWARE of what he sees & hears, as well as UNDERSTAND the event fully. Therefore, when Zaid satisfies the conditions of being present and seeing,together with the ability to comprehend the event in front of him, Zaid may be called upon as a WITNESS to that event.

Now, it would follow that, if Zaid were blind or deaf, Zaid could not be called upon as a reliable witness, since Zaid does not fulfill all the requirements of being are liable witness. Therefore, a WITNESS is someone who is HAAZIR & NAAZIR at an event and fully understands the event. Be it that the witness was at the event physically or was able to observe the event LIVE from afar spiritually or in the case of Zaid electronically!

It must also be apparent that one cannot be NAAZIR without being HAAZIR, the two abilities go hand in hand.
This is a very important point to understand. Now, bearing in mind the definition of HAAZIR & NAAZIR together with the definition of being a WITNESS to an event, pay full attention to what the Holy Quran says about the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam).

1) " 'O' Nabi (communicator of the unseen) we have sent you as a witness." (S33 V45)
2) "Then how shall it be, when We bring up a witness from each nation (of each Prophet) and 'O' beloved
Messenger We will bring you as a witness and guardian against all those." (S4 V41)

Observe that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) is being called a WITNESS to all the nations that Allah has put upon this Earth. Therefore, the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) must have been present before his Earthly appearance and is still present after this Earthly demise, otherwise he cannot be called upon as a witness in the true sense of the word. There are many other verses of the Holy Quran that call upon the Holy Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) to be a witness. And a witness can only be someone who is Haazir & Naazir.

A Technical Point
The following Quranic verses are often quoted to show that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) was not present and seeing before his Earthly appearance :

"And you ('O' Prophet) were not with them (present) when they cast their pens (to decide) which of them should be Mary's guardian." (S3 v44)

"The Prophet was not present when Musa was called upon Tur" (S28 V46) Yes, the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) was not present (physically speaking) at these events, but this is not to say that he was not seeing (Naazir) these events. On the contrary, he must have been seeing these events, otherwise how can he be a witness to all the events as mentioned in the previous Quranic Verses. And since he was seeing (NAAZIR) he must have been present(HAAZIR), be it spiritually and from afar.

Read the following verses of the Holy Quran :

3)" ('O' Prophet) Have you not seen how your Lord dealt with the owners of the Elephant. " (S105 V1) This event took place many days before the birth of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam).

4)" ('O' Prophet) Have you not seen how your Lord dealt with (the people) of Aad. " (S89 V9) Now the people of Aad lived many centuries before the advent of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) on this Earth.

So, how could the Holy Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) 'SEE' these events? Allah only knows how, but, since it is clear from the verses of the Holy Quran,that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) did SEE these events, then you must admit that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) was present and seeing (HAAZIR & NAAZIR) at these events. Furthermore, the Holy Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) witnessed these events before his Earthly advent.

Note that Allah did not say, "have you not HEARD..." or "have you not been TOLD..". No, Allah says to the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) "did you not SEE"!

Please apply a little common sense. Is there not a difference between seeing an event and being told about an event.
Mu'adh(RA)reports that the Holy Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said, "I saw Allah. He put His hand between my shoulders. I felt the coolness of His hand in my breast which enlightened me about everything. And I recognized Him." (Tirmidhi Sharif)

Even a lifetime would not be enough to contemplate on this Hadith, if only Allah would open our minds to contemplation and understanding.

Sayyidina Umar (RA), states "In one Friday sermon, the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) informed us about everything which has happened or will happen from the very beginning of time until the Hereafter when some will inhabit Paradise while the others Hell." (Bukhari Sharif)

Is it not clear, that the Holy Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) is a witness to all that has happened and will happen!

Ibn Abbas (RA) reports that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said, "I know everything which is in the Heavens and the Earth, from the East to the West."(Tirmidhi Sharif)

How can the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) know everything in the Heavens and the Earth and their constant changing conditions, without beholding the conditions of the Heavens and the Earth continuously?

The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) had elevated some of his companions to such a state of being, that even those selected companions were ever seeing the Heavens and the Earth.

Imaam Al Azam, Imaam Abu Hanifa writes that Haaris Ibn La'man and Haarisa bin Na'man have stated, "Once I went to the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam). The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) asked me a question, 'O Haaris in what state did you pass the day?' I replied 'as a true Muslim'. Then the Holy Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) asked me the state of my faith. I replied 'I see the Throne of Allah and the people of Paradise helping each other and the people of Hell lamenting in Hell. I see in front of me Eight Heavens and Seven Hells as clear as idol worshippers see their Idols. I can recognize each individual just like a miller can recognize Wheat from Barley, even who is to go to Paradise and who is to be found in Hell. In front of me people are like fish and ants. Shall I stay silent or continue to speak?'

The Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) told him to stop and say no more. (Fiqah-Al-Akbar)

All it takes is a little common sense, if a companion of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) can behold Allah's creation in such detail, then what remains to be said about what the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) beholds of Allah's creation.

Allama Ahmed Qustulani (RA) commentator of Bukhari Shareef, writes in his book Mawahib-ladunya and Imam Muhammad Ibni Hajar Makki (RA) writes in his book Madkhal: "There is no difference between the states of life and death of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam), in his seeing his entire ummah and his recognizing of their states, their intentions and their minds, and all this is clear to him; there is no secret thereof to him." (Mawahib p.32, Madkhal p.21).

Qadi Ayyaz(RA) the well-known author of Shifa, writes "Whenever there is nobody present in the home and you enter the home recite "Assalamo Alaika Ayyohannabi Warahmatullah Wa Barakatahoo" Meaning "Peace be upon you 'O' Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) of Allah and Allah's mercy and blessings be upon you." (Shifa Sharif)

The point to note is that we are saluting the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) in the present tense i.e. accepting him as Haazir & Naazir.

Mulla Ali Qari (RA): Substantiating on the above, the great Islamic scholar, Mulla Ali Qari(RA) in his Shareh Shifa writes, "The reason( for saluting the Holy Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) in the present tense) is that the Holy Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam's) soul is HAAZIR (present) in every Muslim home". (Shareh Shifa)

There are a billion Muslim homes throughout the world, and according to the Islamic scholars, the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) is present in everyMuslim home, does this not prove that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) is Haazir in many places at the same time and Naazir as well.

Imaam Ghazali (RA) the seal of Islam, a great scholar and a Sufi Master writes, "When you go into a mosque then say salaam to the Holy Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) because the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) is present (Haazir) in mosques." (Mirqat - Shareh Miskat)

There must be millions of Mosques situated around the world and in all mosques the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) is present spiritually. When the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) is Haazir then he must be seeing and therefore he must be Naazir as well.

It has been reported in the famous book 'Tafseer-e-Roohul Bayan' that Imaam Ghazali (RA) stated, "the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) and his companions' souls have been given the right to travel the world and many Awliya Allah have seen the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam)."(Tafseer-e-Roohul Bayaan - Surah Malak)

Again Imaam Ghazali (RA), referring to the position of sitting (Tashahudd) during Salat and reciting 'At-Tahiyyatu..', says that on reciting the words 'Ayyohannabi' ('O' Prophet) the reciter must behold the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) as Haazir. Imaam Ghazali (RA) says, ''And believe in your hearts that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) is present (Haazir) and then say Assalamo Alaika Ayyohannabi'' (Ihya ' ul - Uloom Vol. 1 Section 3)

How strange, when we put the above argument forward to a Deobandi(Wahhabi) mullah in South London, the Deobandi mullah said, "we only recite 'Ayyohannabi' because it is stated in the Hadith, otherwise reciting 'Ayyohannabi' has no special significance". Who should we believe, the seal of Islam Imaam Ghazali(RA) or a 'square head' Deobandi mullah. Perhaps our Deobandi mullah needs more proof. Let us give him and other 'square heads' more proof.

Hazrat Sheikh Abdul Haqq Muhaddith Dehlvi (RA), the 30th in line of the Golden Naqshbandi Sufi Order, and someone whom Deobandis' are very fond of quoting, says, ''In Attahiyat, the reason for reciting 'Ayyohannabi' is that Haqqiqat-e-Muhammadi (Reality (light) of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam)) is present in every little thing. Therefore, it is present in the people praying Salat, and those performing the Salat should be fully aware of this fact and should not pay attention to anything except for the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam's) presence (Haazri)''. (Madarijun Nabuwat Vol. 1 part 4 - Zikreh Fazaalileh Nabi )

Imaam Jalaluddin Suyuti (RA) says, "To keep watch of his own followers' work and to pray for their forgiveness; to pray for their abstention from bad deeds; to come and go in all parts of the world to give auspiciousness; if one pious person dies from his followers then to come and attend his janazah (funeral), all this is done by the Holy Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam)" (Intibahul Azkiyya)

Imaam Suyuti (RA) further states, ''If someone believes, that, while performing Milad Sharif, or at the end of Ramadan or while reciting Qasida(Naat) Sharif, that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam's) soul is present on these occasions, then to believe this is perfectly acceptable" (Shareh Sudoor)

By now any reasonable minded Muslim must, at least, accept that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) has been granted the ability of being in several places at the same time, be it spiritually. However, some Muslim believe that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) can even present himself physically.

Sheikh Abdul Haqq Muhaddis Dehlvi(RA) states, ''Allah Ta'ala has given the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) the strength and power to go anywhere he likes, he can go with his own body or only in soul. On the earth, in the sky, in the grave and the Holy Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam's) connection stays with his own shrine.'' (Madarigun Naboowat Vol.2 Part4 Wasleh Hayaateh Ambiya)

Abdul Karim Ibn Ibrahim Al Jili (RA) is a descendant of the great Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani (RA). Sheikh Jili (RA) gives us a mind-blowing insight into the reality of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) in his book "The Perfect Man". However, we shall stay with the subject matter and quote Sheikh Jili (RA) on this subject alone. He writes "His original name is Muhammad (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam), his name of honor is Abu'l Qasim, his description Abdullah, and his title Shamsuddin. In every age he bears a name suitable to his guise in that age. I once met him in the form of my Sheikh". He further writes, "The truth of the matter is that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) has the power of assuming every form (In every age)." (Al Insanul Kamil)

Sheikh Jili(RA) relates how the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) took the bodily form of Sheikh Shibli (RA). He writes, "Thus, when he appeared in the form of Shibli, Shibli said to his murid, 'Bear witness that I am the Messenger of Allah'; and the murid, being of insight, recognized the Holy Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam)and said, 'I bear witness that thou art the Messenger Allah.' " (Al Insanul Kamil)

Finally, take heed of what the saint of saints has said on this subject. Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani (RA) writing about the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) says, "He is called the Total Intellect, because he saw and understood everything." (Sirr al-asrar)

Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani (RA) further writes, "The soul of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam), is watching you. He is pained, at seeing your state." (Sirral-asrar)

What more proof does anyone require. If our feeble minds are unable to understand the omnipresence the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) then that is our own weakness. However, to deny something when irrefutable proofs are presented is pure foolishness.

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 25/01/2010 09:42
 
sunni786soldier wrote:

3)" ('O' Prophet) Have you not seen how your Lord dealt with the owners of the Elephant. " (S105 V1) This event took place many days before the birth of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam).

Note that Allah did not say, "have you not HEARD..." or "have you not been TOLD..". No, Allah says to the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) "did you not SEE"!

Sheikh Jili(RA) relates how the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) took the bodily form of Sheikh Shibli (RA). He writes, "Thus, when he appeared in the form of Shibli, Shibli said to his murid, 'Bear witness that I am the Messenger of Allah'; and the murid, being of insight, recognized the Holy Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam)and said, 'I bear witness that thou art the Messenger Allah.' " (Al Insanul Kamil)

What more proof does anyone require.

Abu Abd Ar Rahman Abd Al Adheem Ibn Faheem

I have underlined the first point I want to make.... You say in the of the Ayat above, Allah (swt) says to the Prophet Muhammad (phuh) Did you not see, however the transaltion of the Ayat you have given in 3) is Have you not seen... so I am a little confused now what are you trying to say or are you changing the words to suit yourself?

What other proof/evidence have you got that the Prophet (saw) can come into the body of any living person, this seems strange who else has commented on this occurence?

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 25/01/2010 14:00
 

Salam,

I wont dwell too much on the questions you have raised to sunni786soldier, as I believe these will be answered shortly.

Firstly to address your question on can the dead hear, lets see what the Shaikh ul Islam of the salafies says about this.

When Ibne Taymiyyah was asked if the dead are aware of living that visit them. He replied that:

"There is no doubt that they are aware of the living that visit them." And Ibne Taymiyyah quoted the following Hadith in his support:

"The proof of dead awareness comes from two Sahih Books of Bukhari and Muslim in which Rasoolallah (saw) said that when people have buried a dead person and leave for home, the dead can hear the thumps of sandaled feet of those who leave."
Majmuaat-al-Fatawa by Ibne Taymiyyah, vol. 24, page 362

So is Ibne Taymiah wrong in his analysis???

Let me now put a question to you, Ibne Taymiah clearly articulates that the dead can hear, but in his fatawa also says that it is wrong to ask Rasoolallah [saw] to supplicate Allah in our favour (i.e. Shafaat, intercession) after his death. According to Ibne Taymiyyah, he [saw] was able to supplicate and intercede us only in his life, but after his [saw] death, he [saw] is no longer able to supplicate/intercede for us.

Can you explain if Rasoolallah [saw] can hear then what prevents him [saw] to supplicate for us after his death, and how it becomes Shirk to do it? Or do you not agree to this fatawa?

Quran mentions the Prophet Salih's speech to the dead. This speech was made after his nation had been destroyed.

[Yusufali 7:77] Then they ham-strung the she camel, and insolently defied the order of their Lord, saying: "O Salih! bring about thy threats, if thou art a messenger (of Allah)!"

[Yusufali 7:78] So the earthquake took them unawares, and they lay prostrate in their homes in the morning!

[Yusufali 7:79] So Salih left them, saying: "O my people! I did indeed convey to you the message for which I was sent by my Lord: I gave you good counsel, but ye love not good counsellors!"


Please note that Quran testifies that Salih addressed to his nation who had already been perished by Allah. This shows clearly that souls of the dead can Hear, otherwise what is the meaning of Salih's address to them?. Or do the Salafies think that Salih did a Useless and Polytheistic Act (as according to Ibne Abdul Wahab one become Mushrik if one think that they can hear)? And why Allah also mentioned this useless and polytheistic Act in Quran?

Secondly, do the Salafies think that Salih [as] used Loud Speakers in order to let his message to reach each and every dead person of his nation ? No, he [as] did not use any Loud Speaker, yet the Holy Quran testifies that all of his nation heard his message.

It simply shows that near or remote calls doesn't make any difference for the Dead. Their means for hearing are different from the Living and they cannot be compared with each other. And if someone does so, certainly he makes a mistake.

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

"The Messenger of Allah spoke to the People (buried) in the Well saying: "Have you found out that what your Lord had promised you is true?" then someone exclaimed: "Are you calling out to the dead!" The Prophet replied: "You do not hear better than they do, except they do not respond."
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 452

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Allah's Apostle said, "When (Allah's) slave is put in his grave and his companions return and he even hears their footsteps, two angels come to him and make him sit and ask??.
1. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 456
2. Sahih Muslim, Book 040, Number 6862

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came to the graveyard and said:

"Peace be upon you! (O) the abode of the believing people and we, if God so wills, are about to join you. I love to see my brothers. They (the hearers) said: Aren't we your brothers-Messenger of Allah? He said: You are my companions, and our brothers are those who have, so far, not come into the world."
Sahih Muslim, Book 002, Number 0482

When the prophet (saw) greeted the graves of believers he (saw) said "Assalam-o-Alaika Ya Ahlil Qabur", I think if you have the time you must check out the previous posts on the permissibility of saying Ya Rasoollallah (saw) and seek the definition of Ya.

I can carry on if you like, but I think you get the point now, if you have any further questions im sure I can seek guidance from my sheikh to enlighten you.


It is the duty of Muslims to love and respect the Family of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) because the Holy Prophet has said in a hadith, “When I am loved, then my family members, whom I love should also be loved.” (Tirmidhi)
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 25/01/2010 14:18
 
 Modified By Qadri Blessed  on 25/01/2010 08:56:37

You say:
"Ibn Mas'ud reported that the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Allah has angels who travel about the earth; they [do and will] convey to me the peace greeting from my ummah." [Authentically reported by Abu Dawud]

"This hadith clarifies that the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) does not hear the greetings of peace from Muslims when they pronounce it upon him, for if he could hear it directly, there would be no need of angels to convey it to him. Therefore, it follows that the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) cannot hear other forms of conversation directed to him either;[3] and it stands even more to reason that the deceased, being lesser than the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam), also cannot hear the salam (greeting of peace) or any other form of speech. [4] Thus contrary to a popular misconception, because the Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) cannot directly hear either one's invocation of blessings [5] or one's salam addressed to him, such greetings may be conveyed to him from anywhere, regardless of the distance or proximity of the greeter to the Prophet's grave."

Brother you say that this hadith clarifies that the prophet cannot hear directly and thus the angels deliver the blessings. This is a logical deduction you have made. However, before I answer to your deduction please quickly answer my following question: Allah is the creator, he created everything that is encompassed in the universe. He has the attribute of being omnicient i.e. all knowing. Then why has Allah appointed two angels to each human which solely account for the good and bad deeds of that human? Why is it that on the day of the judgement these two angels will reveal the deed accounts of that individual? Surely Allah the all knowing does not need angels to provide these records on the day of judgement? There is no match between Allah and the Prophet thus your logical deduction may be applied to limiting the prophet but how far will the same deduction go towards astagfirullah limiting the all knowing Allah Almighty??

Inshallah I will hear from you soon

Maximus

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