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 25/01/2010 15:28
 

brothers i dont know where you dudes are based im based New York and reverted back to islam i find this site very helpful keep up the great work

from a brother that is learning ive been learning with the abdul wahab teachings more than the imam shafi,hanafi etc

please give me the answers to a few simple questions if possible

1. how can we become one ummah with so many differences and sometimes hate

2. some of my local places of worship have even call some of the muslims kaffir i do understand (mirzai) are kaffir and their is sect in shia that ive been told not really seen any evidence that they believe that the quran hasome bits missing god forbid if they believe that than they are definetly from the unbelievers i have asked a few questions but with little knowledge you have great quotes of ibn tamya

the great thing is that ive asked some questions to our sheikh (teacher) our local mosque is funded by saudi arabia beautifully decorated but not one sign of islam in their and then i go to a so called sunni hanafi mosque and them guys have the mosque plastered with posters and scary things like ya mohammed right next to ya allah plaese explain who knows the deen better obviously it all started in saudi arabia

please do not take any offense with any comments they are more questions than attacking anyone i believe in dont knock anything unlesss their is clear evidence thanks

jazzakallah khair

Sheare ali (USA)

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 25/01/2010 16:50
 
 Modified By Qadri Blessed  on 25/01/2010 11:29:10

Salam and welcome to the forum

For previous threads on unity please refer to http://www.sunnisonline.com/Forums/ta....

With regards to your experiences of hearing people talk about others and call them kaafir see previous thread on Qadianis and Islam where you can get more information on why certain people are labelled for being outside the fold of Islam.

Please note abdul Wahab like Ibne Taymiah was a student of the hanabli school, although most of the teachings did not come out in their works.

Brother apologies in advance, but I have a few questions of my own below if you dont mind; this well help the forum members to get to you know you a little better and vice versa more importantly for you to feel comfortbale exchanging posts with others.

1 - Who is your sheikh and what is the name of the masjid you go to in New York?

2 - Why do you class a sunni hanafi masjid as "a so called sunni hanafi masjid"?

3 - What is scary about saying Ya Muhammad (saw) please clarify, so any questions can be answered competently?

4 - What do you mean by the saudi decorated masjid has no signs of Islam in it please elaborate?

5 - What questions have you asked of your sheikh and what was his response?

No offence taken, and thanks for your questions.


It is the duty of Muslims to love and respect the Family of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) because the Holy Prophet has said in a hadith, “When I am loved, then my family members, whom I love should also be loved.” (Tirmidhi)
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 25/01/2010 17:46
 

ASLUMALIKUM BROTHERS,

IT IS SIMPLE IF ALLAH CAN MAKE PEOPLE ALIVE IN THE GRAVE WHY CANT HE MAKE THEM HEAR IN THE GRAVE AND ALSO ABOUT THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH) WHEN ALLAH CREATED THE SOUL OF THE PROPHET MUHAMMED (PBUH) HE SAID HOW DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE YOU AND WITH WHAT QUALITIES AND THE SOUL OF THE PROPHET MUHAMMED (PBUH) REPLIED MAKE IN SUCH A WAY THAT YOUR WORD IS MY WORD WHAT EVER YOU THINK I THINK OUR WORDS NEVER CLASH WITH EACH OTHER. ALSO THE DAROOD - E - IBRAHIM WHICH WE READ IN NAMAAZ ALLAH SYAS THAT READ THIS AND SEND IT TO THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IF ALLAH SAYS SEND DAROOD ON HIM THEN SURLEY ALLAH HAS GIVEN HIM THE POWER TO HER THE DAROOD AS WELL AND FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD NOT ONLY IF YOU GO TO MEDINA AND READ IT. ALLAH CAN CHOOSE TO MAKE ANYONE HEAR OR SEE OR PEFORM OTHER MIRICALS ALLAH IS THE ALMIGHTY. THATS WHY I DONT FIND IT SHOCKING WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS PEOPLE CAN HEAR IN THE GRAVE WHEN THEY DEAD BECAUSE THIS IS NOT EVEN A FRACTION OF ALLAH'S POWER. WAHABBI'S ARE ALWAYS ASKING FOR PROOF I WON'T BE SUPRISED IF THEY ONEDAY ASK PROOF OF ALLAH'S EXSISTANCE OR QUESTION THE COMPLING OF QURAN THEY HAVE NO LOVE AND ARE COLD HEARTED AND DIS - RESPECTFUL IN MOST OF THERE RELIGIOUS ACTIVITIES, THEY NEED TO HAVE MORE LOVE AND RESPECT FOR THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IF THEY WANT HIS HELP ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT OR THEY WILL FEEL THE HEAT.

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 25/01/2010 22:44
 

Abu Abd,

Sunni soldier has presented a methodical reply to your questions you posted earlier in this thread. After such extensive proofs you merely highlighted a grammatical error. Do you even know the difference between "have you not seen" and "did you not see"? What is the point you are trying to achieve? Dont distract the readers with such coments please and rather take the time and effort to formulate a proper reply.

I will tell you the difference between these two terms. The main difference between the Present Perfect and the Past Simple is the difference in definite and indefinite time. Consider the following:

Have you seen?

I am only interested in whether you have experienced that or not i.e. "have you not seen how your Lord dealt with the owners of the Elephant." Here the actual time is not relevant.

Did you see?

I am asking a question about a definite time i.e. "did you not see how your Lord dealt with the owners of the Elephant.". Here the time is also relevant.

Either way Allah is speaking to his beloved about an event that the Prophet has seen or did see. The event took place before the birth of the Prophet but Allah has already revealed in the Quran that the Prophet (pbuh) is a witness to all events. This can be clearly seen in the verse below:

يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ إِنَّآ أَرۡسَلۡنَـٰكَ شَـٰهِدً۬ا وَمُبَشِّرً۬ا وَنَذِيرً۬ا (٤٥

O Prophet! Lo! We have sent thee as a witness and a bringer of good tidings and a warner. (45)

I have read the translation and can confirm it is "have you not seen" i.e. the time here is not relevant. The crux of the translation is the direct discourse between Allah and his beloved by referring to a particular event.

May Allah guide us on the straight path

Maximus

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 26/01/2010 00:45
 
Abu Abd Ar Rahman Abd Al Adheem Ibn Faheem wrote:

Salam,

I am new to this forum and had some questions pertaining to the ability of those within their graves. You people say that the dead can hear i their grave, howver the following ayats suggested clearly tha dead people cannot. If you are on haq explain ad give clarification with evidence from Quran & sahih hadith.

"Verily you cannot make the dead hear and you can not make the deaf hear the call when they turn their backs and retreat." [Surah an-Naml 27:80]
"The living and the dead are not alike. Allah makes whoever he wishes hear, but you cannot make those in the graves hear." [Surah Fatir 35:22]

Salaam Abu Abd

Sunni soldier and Qadri blessed have provided ample references and proofs from the Quran/Sunnah and interpretations from distinguished scholars such as Ibn Tamiyah vis a vis the dead can hear/see and help from the graves. Since both the brothers have successfuly provided these evidences it stands that I do not need to provide further information. However, I would like to comment on the verses you have cited to support your argument.

Firtsly, the Quran is not a book which can be picked up and be interpreted by a layman. The understanding of each individual differs from one another in accordance to each individuals capacity. For example, at school individuals are encouraged to express their interpretations on certain texts. More than likely individuals will have different interpretations. The more competent the individual the more potent the interpretation. Sadly, the Quran cannot be interpreted in such a way for this very reason. To interpret the Quran one must be equipped with the necessary tools i.e. the Islamic normative sciences to make a true and informed interpretation. This is why usually full time scholars should be left to intepret the Quran in a competent manner. I am no scholar but after doing some research I have some comments regarding these verses.

VERSE 1

"The living and the dead are not alike. Allah makes whoever he wishes hear, but you cannot make those in the graves hear." [Surah Fatir 35:22]

In order to interpret this verse or any verse for that matter one needs to know the surroundings/background of the verse i.e. a fuller picture needs to be painted. I have cited three verses that precede the verse you put forward.

ٱلظُّلُمَـٰتُ وَلَا ٱلنُّورُ (٢٠) وَلَا ٱلظِّلُّ وَلَا ٱلۡحَرُورُ (٢١) وَمَا يَسۡتَوِى ٱلۡأَحۡيَآءُ وَلَا ٱلۡأَمۡوَٲتُۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يُسۡمِعُ مَن يَشَآءُۖ وَمَآ أَنتَ بِمُسۡمِعٍ۬ مَّن فِى ٱلۡقُبُورِ (٢٢)

(19. Not alike are the blind and the seeing.) (20. Nor are (depths of) darkness and light.) (21. Nor are the shade and the sun's heat.) (22. Nor are the living and the dead. Verily, Allah makes whom He wills to hear, but you cannot make hear those who are in graves.)

The verse you cited on a standalone basis would make a reader assume that people in the graves cannot hear. But once you read the verses which precede the verse you cited it is clear the verses are antonyms. After delving into the exegetical interpretation of these verses, I found in Tafsir Ibn Kathir the following:

Allah says that these antonyms are clearly not equal, the blind and the seeing are not equal, there is a difference and a huge gap between them. Darkness and light are not equal, neither are shade and the sun's heat. By the same token, the living and the dead are not equal. This is the parable Allah makes of the believers who are the living, and the disbelievers who are the dead. This is like the Ayat:

[أَوَمَن كَانَ مَيْتًا فَأَحْيَيْنَـهُ وَجَعَلْنَا لَهُ نُورًا يَمْشِي بِهِ فِى النَّاسِ كَمَن مَّثَلُهُ فِي الظُّلُمَـتِ لَيْسَ بِخَارِجٍ مِّنْهَا كَذَلِكَ]

(Is he who was dead and We gave him life and set for him a light (of belief) whereby he can walk amongst men -- like him who is in the (depths of) darkness from which he can never come out) (6:122),

[مَثَلُ الْفَرِيقَيْنِ كَالاٌّعْمَى وَالاٌّصَمِّ وَالْبَصِيرِ وَالسَّمِيعِ هَلْ يَسْتَوِيَانِ مَثَلاً]

(The parable of the two parties is as that of the blind and the deaf and the seer and the hearer. Are they equal when compared) (11:24) The believer sees and hears, and walks in the light upon a straight path in this world and the Hereafter, until he comes to settle in Gardens (Paradise) wherein is shade and springs. The disbeliever is blind and deaf, walking in darkness from which he cannot escape, he is lost in his misguidance in this world and the Hereafter, until he ends up in fierce hot wind and boiling water, and shadow of black smoke, neither cool nor good.

[إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُسْمِعُ مَن يَشَآءُ]

(Verily, Allah makes whom He wills to hear,) means. He guides them to listen to the proof and accept it and adhere it.

[وَمَآ أَنتَ بِمُسْمِعٍ مَّن فِى الْقُبُورِ]

(but you cannot make hear those who are in graves.) means, `just as the dead cannot benefit from guidance and the call to truth after they have died as disbelievers and ended up in the graves, so too you cannot help these idolators who are decreed to be doomed, and you cannot guide them.'

Clearly the verse you cited is about disbelievers. Allah gives some examples of extreme opposites such as light and dark. In the same way Allah gives the extreme opposite to believers in the form of disbelievers. The believer has the ability to hear and see in this world and the hereafter i.e. he enjoys the light of the straight path until he settles in heaven. The disbeliever is deaf and blind in this world and the hereafter i.e. he cannot escape from walking in the darkness until he goes to hell.

Allah speaks to the Prophet and says the disbeleivers cannot be helped or be guided. For this Allah gives the example JUST LIKE THE DISBELEIVERS WHO ARE DEAD AND ARE IN THEIR GRAVES CANNOT BENEFIT FROM GUIDANCE AND CALLS TO THE TRUTH, IN THE SAME WAY THE IDOLATORS CANNOT BE GUIDED. In the next verse Allah says that the Prophet is a warner to the disbeleivers and the bearers of glad tidings to the beleivers.

Thus these verses are to ascertain the distinction between believers and disbeleivers. Ultimately the disbeleivers cannot be guided but merely warned. Thus the verse is not sufficent and applicable proof/evidence that the dead cannot hear/see/help etc.

VERSE 2

"Verily you cannot make the dead hear and you can not make the deaf hear the call when they turn their backs and retreat." [Surah an-Naml 27:80]

Again I have attempted to give the reader some background information which precedes the verse you cited above.

Allah tells us about His Book and the guidance, proof and criterion between right and wrong that it contains. He tells us about the Children of Israel, who were the bearers of the Tawrah and Injil. How they had different opinions about `Isa. The Jews lied about him while the Christians exaggerated in praise for him, so the Qur'an came with the moderate word of truth and justice: that he was one of the servants of Allah, and one of His noble Prophets and Messengers, may the best of peace and blessings be upon him. Allah says the holy books are a guidance for believers His servants do and say. Allah goes on to say that he will take vengance against those who exaggerated and lied about the books. Allah then says to the Prophet (pbuh) that continue to convey the message of his Lord. The ending portion of this verse is as followed:

[إِنَّكَ عَلَى الْحَقِّ الْمُبِينِ]

(surely, you are on manifest truth.) meaning, you are following manifest truth, even though you are opposed by those who oppose you because they are doomed. The Word of your Lord has been justified against them, so that they will not believe even if all the signs are brought to them. Allah says:

[إِنَّكَ لاَ تُسْمِعُ الْمَوْتَى]

(Verily, you cannot make the dead to hear) meaning, you cannot cause them to hear anything that will benefit them. The same applies to those over whose hearts is a veil and in whose ears is deafness of disbelief. Allah says:

[وَلاَ تُسْمِعُ الصُّمَّ الدُّعَآءَ إِذَا وَلَّوْاْ مُدْبِرِينَ]

وَمَآ أَنتَ بِهَادِى الْعُمْىِ عَن ضَلَـلَتِهِمْ إِن تُسْمِعُ إِلاَّ مَن يُؤْمِنُ بِـئَايَـتِنَا فَهُم مُّسْلِمُونَ-]

(nor can you make the deaf to hear the call, when they flee, turning their backs. Nor can you lead the blind out of their error. You can only make to hear those who believe in Our Ayat, so they submit (became Muslims).) meaning, those who have hearing and insight will respond to you, those whose hearing and sight are of benefit to their hearts and who are humble towards Allah and to the Message that comes to them through the mouths of the Messengers, may peace be upon them.

This verse you have cited is also in relation to disbeleivers. Allah is saying to the prophet (pbuh) those who will have light will respond and those who are in darkness will not respond to you just like the disbeleivers in their graves. Allah will take his vengance on the disbeleivers.

I hope this has clarified the interpretations of these two verses you have cited. Again I would like to reiterate it is important that we do not interpret the Quran without weighing up the sources and applying the relevant islamic normative sciences.

May Allah keep us on the straight path

Maximus

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