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 17/01/2010 19:35
 

Aslamualaikum,

I find it very funny how all you guys talk about unity and what not, but your actions seem to convey something different completely, Reading some peoples comments I question your sincerity....

Not much of an introduction I know and I apologise but its something that bugs me constantly about you people, leaving that aside, What I have come to his site for is to expand my horizons and posibbly get some answers, who knows?? unlike most of you, I actually want to know the other side of the story, and hear it from the horse's mouth so to speak (no disrespect intended)

My first question (of many, and I hope to get a full reply with authentic references, no emotions please, thanks) is:

To what extent do "Sufis" belive in Wahdatul Wajood, is this a halal belief??? can anyone defend this??? Ive not come accross anyone who can answer this question with a satisfactory reply, looking forward to your replies.

N.b. a link for anyone familiar with Harun Yahya's work "The Secret Beyond Matter" even he discuss's this topic and doesn't defend it.

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 17/01/2010 20:20
 
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 17/01/2010 21:00
 
 Modified By Kumail  on 17/01/2010 15:03:48

first of all, it is highly esoteric idea. it only makes sense for those who tread the path of mysticism and experience it first hand. it is like describing how coffee tastes? can you for example describe it to the one who has not tasted it? can explain to a blind by birth, what the colour blue looks like or even explain what the idea of colour is? the answer is No!

so, to understand wahdat al-wujud as pantheism is the biggest mistake people have made especially literalist fringe amongst muslims such as ibn taymiyya; who actually believed God to be in a direction and sitting upon a throne with a physical body as reported by imam ibn hajar al-asqalani and confirmed by another independent witness Ibn Batuta in his contemporary travelogue, not to mention his direct works but that is another topic altogether. the point here is that those who considered shaykh al-akbar mohiyudin ibn arabi as kafir etc have their tawhid in a tangle.

unitary of existence or whadat al-wujud belongs to the realm of Ruh/soul and its unveiling of a reality that cannot be grasped by reason.

however, the books of shaykh al-akbar have been tampered with as vouched by, for example, shaykh abd al-haq dehlavi in his takmil al-imaan. fusus al-hikam has been corrupted by zanadiqa but shaykh al-akbar's major volumous work al-futuhat is where we should focus for that clarification about the idea of wahdat al-wujud and later on by sadr al-din shirazi, who was a shia philosopher and follower of shaykha al-akbar in this idea, although i only mention him for his adherence and not for glorification as we are ahl al-sunna. also many notable personalities amongst ahl al-sunna have also written on the subject such al-qaunawi etc.

furthermore, since its a subjective matter and you want answers in a literal sense; which cannot be provided so i suggest, please go and seek tafsir of the following ayah and hadith qudsi as a start:

"But when he came to it, he was called from the right side of the valley in a blessed spot - from the tree, "O Moses, indeed I am Allah , Lord of the worlds." 28:30

and also the following hadith qudsi from bukhari of mohammed bin ismael:

"when a slave becomes close to me, I become his eyes with which he sees, his ears with which he hears, his mouth with which he speaks, his hands with which he grasps, his feet with which he walks"

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 18/01/2010 09:47
 
loading... wrote:

Aslamualaikum, Wahalaykum asalam

I find it very funny how all you guys talk about unity (show examples please?) and what not, but your actions seem to convey something different completely (what actions explain, if you are referring to how we highlight devient beliefs then what is wrong with this?), Reading some peoples comments I question your sincerity....

Not much of an introduction I know and I apologise but its something that bugs me constantly about you people (you make us sound like a tribe, what tribe are you from then???), leaving that aside, What I have come to his site for is to expand my horizons and posibbly get some answers, who knows?? unlike most of you (I take it that is a personal obeservation and I lend NO credence to it), I actually want to know the other side of the story (be specific what side are you talking about, would that be our side the ahle sunnah wal jamaat?), and hear it from the horse's mouth so to speak (no disrespect intended) None taken

My first question (of many, and I hope to get a full reply with authentic references, no emotions please, thanks) is:

To what extent do "Sufis" belive in Wahdatul Wajood, is this a halal belief??? can anyone defend this??? Ive not come accross anyone who can answer this question with a satisfactory reply (what replies have you had so far and from whom?), looking forward to your replies.

N.b. a link for anyone familiar with Harun Yahya's work "The Secret Beyond Matter" even he discuss's this topic and doesn't defend it.

Brother Loading I have added some text into your first post in red and I believe Brother Kumail has answered your questions and has given you some questions, obviousaly in the spirit of opening your horizons and looking at things from the other side to answer, please enlighten us on this forum when you get a moment.


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