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 15/12/2009 14:58
 
 Modified By Qadri Blessed  on 16/12/2009 03:37:31

all the comparitive studies Zakir Naik says he has done and the defender of Yazid & (zionists), how come he did not speak out against the pope or certainly challenge him when the Pope uttered the following to disrespect the muslims around the world????

"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Pope Benedict XVI offered the above quote, neither endorsing nor condemning it, in his academic speech, "Faith, Reason and the University: Memories and Reflections," delivered in German last week in Germany. It served to introduce his erudite critique of the Western concept of reason since the Enlightenment.

There was an outcry in Pakistan and around the muslim world, and it was not until the The National Assembly of Pakistan, questioned who amongst the Ulema of Islam today can stand up and protect us from the scathing attacks levied by the pompus Pope. At this point one of the members of the assembly stood up and said with pride in the knowledge and appreciation for the high status amongst the world ulema, a person who's lineage leads back to Rasoollallah (saw) a Hassani and Hussaini syed (torch bearer of the ahle sunnah) by the name of Mufakir -e- Islam Pir Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani is a man who can challenge the Pope without hesitation. Without a moments notice this chanllenge was accepted but traction on behalf of the pope was not forthcoming.

Let me ask the Deobandii/Wahabi/Salafi ulema, where were you when Islam was being attacked by the pompus pope. Did you not feel it was your duty to come out and go public or where you thinking this is part of your overall agenda to attack and weaken Islam from within??? Zakir Naik you address small crowds, and if anyone has ever noticed the crowd is always the same (hmmm..wonder why), you go out your way to support Yazeed, but not the Prophet (saw).

Change this before it is to late for you!


It is the duty of Muslims to love and respect the Family of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) because the Holy Prophet has said in a hadith, “When I am loved, then my family members, whom I love should also be loved.” (Tirmidhi)
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 15/12/2009 15:05
 

It actually looks as if the supporter of yazid, has been dropped by his previous supporters as being too mischevious for their standards (how ironic)....

الرحيم
Starting in the name of Allah

الصلوة والسلام عليك يارسول الله وعلى آلك واصحابك يا نورالله
And millions of durood on Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)

Dr zakir naik follows wahabism [pseudo salafi] aqeeda and even his wahabi brothers refute him, all sects are aggainst him right now

Wahabi/salafi/ahle hadith Shaykh Yahyaa ibn Alee al-Hajooree Calls Zakir naik Deviant and shatan

Fatwa books in Urdu:- [/u]
http://www.asliahlesunnet.com/files/d...
http://www.asliahlesunnet.com/files/d...
,http://www.asliahlesunnet.com/files/R...

English fatwa from Wahabiyyah
[/u]
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21622373/Za...

AHLE HADIS SCHOLARS ON ZAKIR NAIK AGAIN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVKCA0...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi2NKn...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfHGW1...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfHGW1...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi7Z1y...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KREyAG...


Ahley sunnah wal jammat fatwa against Zakir naik
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20327566/Dr...

Darul uloom deoband fatwa against Dr zakir naik
http://darulifta-deoband.org/viewfatw...
http://darulifta-deoband.org/viewfatw...
http://darulifta-deoband.com/viewfatw...


It is the duty of Muslims to love and respect the Family of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) because the Holy Prophet has said in a hadith, “When I am loved, then my family members, whom I love should also be loved.” (Tirmidhi)
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 15/12/2009 17:30
 

Salam Qadri Blessed,

Well said where was this zakir Naik Yazeed (lanti). Someone told me he has memorised few books from his teacher Deedat and uses his resources to make people believe that he has worked hard. I think he is a big loser. How can someone compare religion without knowing his own.

A Mujadid is a person who destroys or fights for Islam and attacks or accepts a challenge against the Most deviant Group ( the biggest fitna group of the time). Mufakire Islam is the only Lion who stood up and accepted the challenge from the POPE. The pope was also aware if he challenges Hazarat Saab he will be destroyed. At this time Sunni's top ulema did not even cough or rise to the challenge. No Doubt Hazarat saabs bravery, knowledge and command is out of this world.

Sunni's are very lucky indeed to have Mufakire Islam Pir Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani as our SHADOW.

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 16/12/2009 08:36
 
 Modified By Qadri Blessed  on 16/12/2009 14:05:36

Hes not even a scholar, he Speaks about Comparative Religion! how can people take their religous rulings off someone who compares religions? Its like going to a dentist for an Heart bypass operation. Who are His Teachers and who has he learnt Islamic Knowdelge from and what is his Aqeedah?

He called Yazeed (Yazeed radi allah ho anho, may Allah be please with him). Is this the Way to refer a Killer of the Grandson of Prophet Muhammed Pbuh . Where is Our Love for the Family of Holy Prophet Muhammed Pbuh is it just a talk infront of Kuffar that we love him or just by showing off and to tell people we are very Islamic infact the Love needs to be inside from the Heart or we will end up like the Kharijites.

1. It is reported in Tirmizi Shareef: Hazrat Zain bin Arqam (radi Allahu anhu) reported that Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said to Hazrat Ali, Bibi Fathima, Hazrat Hasan and Hazrat Husain (radi Allahu anhuma), "I am at war with those who fight with them, at peace with those who remain in peace with them".

2. In another Hadith from Tirmizi Shareef: Hazrat Ya'la bin Murrah (radi Allahu anhu) reported that Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Husain is from me and I am from Husain. Allah loves him who loves Husain. Husain is a descendant out of my descendants".


It is the duty of Muslims to love and respect the Family of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) because the Holy Prophet has said in a hadith, “When I am loved, then my family members, whom I love should also be loved.” (Tirmidhi)
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 18/12/2009 10:58
 
 Modified By Qadri Blessed  on 18/12/2009 06:05:34

The following discussion has taken place on another forum, due to formatting issues in I have moved this to sunnisoline.com for further clarification, analysis etc.

Qadri Blessed for those of you who said subhanallah when hearing the name of zakir naik. Well guess wot. Hes been dropped by the deobandi/wahabi/salafi/ahle hadith ulema as being misguided, the very ulema who supported him. For more details on the individual fatwas just ask and I will post the info.

Foorqan Ismail Salaams bro - tell me more about these Fatwas?
I only know of 1 from a Qazi of Lucknow, Maulana Mufti Abdul Irfan Qadvi, which has been blown out of proportion by the indian media! I wonder why?
this guy has done a brilliant job by doing Dawaah and is spreading the word of Islam to non muslims!

Foorqan Ismail i will check this out tonight and refer back to you as i have not heard Zakir Naiks talk in relation to this matter so i cant comment!

Qadri Blessed no probs. If you get any questions let me know and also check out the thread on mawlid-un-nabi, and the fatwa u were refring to was given by the maulana for zakir praising yazid (lanati)

Foorqan Ismail bruv watch this i have sent you the link below, response from Zakir Naik on Yazid!............................................................................

Qadri Blessed He says its a difference of opinion, correct its a difference of opinion. Thats why various ulema have spoken against him/ Watch this link,
http://sunnisonline.com/VideoLibrary/VideoPlayer/TabId/65/VideoId/148/Yazeed-Is-Not-A-Faasiqfaajir-But-A-Kafir-Pt-1.aspx

Qadri Blessed Here is the link to the forum on www.sunnisonline.com
http://www.sunnisonline.com/Forums/tabid/84/forumid/100/postid/360/scope/posts/Default.aspx#360

Fayyaz A muslim cannot be a kafir until and only if he/she denies belief in Allah swt n His prophet (saw). No one has the right to call a muslim kafir unless they from their own mouths denounce the Shahadah. This is a summary of Hadith from Mohammed (saw). salam

Qadri Blessed so Fayyaz bro, tell me why ahmedis/qadrianis are not accepted in islam. They believe in Allah, they do not all denounce the shahada, do u consider them muslim too. The truth of the matter is that it is not the job of a layman to say if someone is a k
afir, but the job of a scholor. Therefore if the evidence is highlighted by a scholor equipped to make a ruling then what is wrong with this. Zakir naik on the other hand is an agent of the ghair muquillideen. Away from the knowledge and wisdom, spreading mischevious things and misguiding simple muslims to wrong path. What about the wahabi/salafi doctrine who learn from their teacher mr najdi and the khwarji. Say everyone that was not following his doctrine is kaafar.

Fayyaz no you are wrong the Kadiani's believe in another prophet n that invalidates their shahadah. Obviously u guys follow blindly n will remain laymen, seeking knowledge is farz.Aqeeda issues are for scolars but to say someone is kafir is wrong without that person denouncing the shahadah is incorrect. As we know the Aqeedah of Yazid was correct it was his actions that Allah swt will ask him about. So your arguement means if I commit a sin that takes me out of the fold of Islam, this is not correct according to sunnis.Hind chewed the liver of Prohet Mohammed (saw) uncle Hamzah (RA) but he forgave her. She was a mushrikah at that time n after the conquest of Makkah she accepted Islam from Mohammed (saw). Yazid issue is only for Allah swt to judge.
Salam.

Qadri Blessed If some one deounces the shahadah and Allah swt, yes they are kafir, there is no two ways about it. Clearly no one can go and issue fatwa of kuffar on anyone be it a layman or some one seking knowledge, and i can assure you if you are seeking knowledge it does not make you a scholar qualified to issue fatwa of kuffar.

I think your missing the point. What makes you qualified to say "saying someone is kafir is wrong without that person denouncing the shahadah"????

Lets see what past Ulema say.......

The ulema of deoband had issued a fatwa against anyone celebrating milad sharif (Fataawa Darul Uloom deoband pg.65), so by your account they are incorrect yes?? Can you then state clearly that you denounce them for offering this fatwa against the ahle sunnat wal jamat.

A fatwa of kufar was issued in 1320 ah (1900ad) by 33 prominent ulema from the Makkah and Madina sharif to deobandi/wahabi leaders Ashraf Ali Thanvi, Rashid Ahmed Ganohi and Qassi Nantovi, ulema qualified (i must add more than you) do you denounce their knowledge and qualification to issue fatws' or would you like to understand why the fatwa was issued, well let me tell you, it was their belief and statements that took them outside the fold of islam.

Ashraf Ali Thanvi Sahib, says: "If Zaid (meaning anybody) holds the belief that the sacred personality (of the holy Prophet) had the knowledge of the unseen is true, still the question is: does this knowledge of the unseen encompass all things or is it confined merely to some of them? If it means knowledge of only a few unseen things, then how is it that he (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) bears the stamp of distinction in this respect? Such knowledge of the unseen is also possessed not only by a Zaid or an Amar but by the epileptics and the insane, the animals and the beasts as well" — (Hifz-ul-lmaan, Page 7 & 8, by Janab Ashraf Ali Thanvi.) Astagfarullah belittling the prophet dont you think Fayyaz. This fatwa was not issued becasue someone denounced the shahadah!

Qadri Blessed And by the way i dont understand the point in your reference to hind?

Fayyaz Thats cos its an Aqeedah issue the ulema can give a fatwa according the accusation. Back to Yazid which is the main question, can u explain why he has been called a kafir by some scholars n not by others???

You guys sometimes sound like Shias cos shias hold the same view!!!

By the way I dont follow brelvis,deo bandis, salafis etc.....
I accept what is confirmed in Quran n Sunnah by most sunni scholars. Difference of opinion will always be there even the Sahabah differed in their understanding of Quran n Sunnah.

I am what Allah swt told me to be that is a muslim (without any other label).

Hind was accepted n forgiven for her sin against the Prophet's saw uncle Hamzah ra,meaning Hind chewed the liver of Hamzah ra at the battle of Uhud. How can any scholar, layman etc say if Allah swt has forgiven Yazid or not??? That is for Allah swt alone to decide what the outcome of Yazid's mischief will be on Judgement Day. That was my point!!!! Salam

Qadri Blessed So if its an aqidah issue they the scholars can give fatwa of kuffar thats exactly my point. Also i cannot believe for a second that you say you do not follow any fiqh, how do you understand the context of the quran and hadiths, its not possible to apply literal meaning. Whoever you learn from would be following someone. Yes people differ on ... opinion thats why we have 4 schools of thought and many hadiths, but you name me what ulema that would stay quite against yazeed, the killer of hazrat hussain (ra) and the lanatee who pulled the cloth of head of the beloved daughters of rasoollallah (saw), the army that trampled on the jism of hazrat hussain with horses while he was killed. The very lanatey who said to hazrat aisha (ra) to marry him. Name me an alim/ulema who would not agree with me please??? The truth is, in the face of it there are very few people who would stand against yazeed and many who over centuries have stood with him through his influence. Final point, whether shia hold the view or not thats up to them. We the ahle sunnah wal jamat hold the view that we must love the ahle bait. Because nabi (saw) ordered us to love his ahle bait and said those who are at war with them (hassan and hussain) are at war with me! So if by this definition yazeed is at war with hazrat hussain (ra) what does that make him. And what does the make the jamat of yazeed who follow him today? Please tell. Your point about about forgiveness, is a bit lame. What views do you hold about salman rushdie or the producer of the danish cartoons...exactly!!! Hopefully i have answered the forgiveness point there without saying much more. Now if its ok by you i will copy the points from you and me to www.sunnisonline.com as its easier to write on and we can continue in forum
style and anyone interested can visit the threads and contribute. Its a little difficult to do this on my phone. By the way can you give me the names of all the sunni ulema you regulary refer too for knowledge on deen. Foorqan brother i aint heard bk from u?

Qadri Blessed salam bro, zakir naik speaks in support of Yazeed who we all know was the ruler in charge of killing the grandson Hazrat Hussain of the Holy Prophet. ↲Visit www.sunnisonline.com for more answers under latest posts starting wiv zakir naik.


It is the duty of Muslims to love and respect the Family of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) because the Holy Prophet has said in a hadith, “When I am loved, then my family members, whom I love should also be loved.” (Tirmidhi)
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